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Post by ciamhan on Mar 18, 2009 12:34:19 GMT -5
Since the subject of UMD and other skills has been brought up, I would like suggest again that all skills be treated as UMD is now. This would solve the problem of mages that can't be knocked down, of heavy tanks with too much tumble and spellcraft. Then we'd really need the fix for Epic Skill Focus, which currently is only broken for UMD but which I think can be done.
On the subject of bards, yes we're at a disadvantage, but in this era of change, we should take our rightful place as rulers. As we choose entertainers and thieves for our leadership instead of warriors and sages, Charisma is far more important than Wisdom. Let's make a reason for bards to take more than 10 levels (so few of us do)--let's give bards Spell Resistance equal to monks or base it on bardsong, and let's lower the Perform needed by five or 10 after level 15, as the escalation now needed is far more than can be done by skill and gear and have any chance of surviving on this server.
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Post by Tempus on Mar 18, 2009 12:47:56 GMT -5
...And i think that Devastating Critical is a little too powerful for pvp...fortitude save or die on every critical hit? Thats a little extreme. HAHAH! Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Mords, Bigby, IGMS, Mords, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Great Thunderclap, Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, IGMS = Dead or, Shield 1 + Shield 2 + Shield 3 + Stand/Heal = Dead Now THATS extreme!! I still point back to allowing NWN defaults to rule for a while and then we tackle this much like other PvP servers have albeit encorperate the RD twist on it. There are A LOT of valid and obvious options to this.--- Tino, I got like 50 cents now collected!  |
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Post by Tony654 on Mar 18, 2009 13:46:07 GMT -5
Since the subject of UMD and other skills has been brought up, I would like suggest again that all skills be treated as UMD is now. This would solve the problem of mages that can't be knocked down, of heavy tanks with too much tumble and spellcraft. Then we'd really need the fix for Epic Skill Focus, which currently is only broken for UMD but which I think can be done. On the subject of bards, yes we're at a disadvantage, but in this era of change, we should take our rightful place as rulers. As we choose entertainers and thieves for our leadership instead of warriors and sages, Charisma is far more important than Wisdom. Let's make a reason for bards to take more than 10 levels (so few of us do)--let's give bards Spell Resistance equal to monks or base it on bardsong, and let's lower the Perform needed by five or 10 after level 15, as the escalation now needed is far more than can be done by skill and gear and have any chance of surviving on this server. C I have a bard that has an Ab in the 60s and an AC in the upper 80s (it'll get higher with better gear  ). My problem with him is the lack of weapon choices for a dex based character. Bards ARE usefull in PvP. |
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Post by villvk on Mar 18, 2009 14:04:05 GMT -5
one more sound form a desert island! Do you all know that you are talking about changes that will affect all existing characters, seriously damage any balance we have and cause "minor" chaos. and for the record: I will gladly welcome Greater sanctuary back And now I will ask one question: WITH WHAT REASON SHOULD A MELEE BUILD KILL FULLY BUFFED MAGE? (Read sorc , rdd PM) And to put it again. Nwn is made so, that when you have a concentrated build in one direction (high ac, high ab, high SR) it is usually done with a sacrifice to something else. RDD and PM can only be done with a arcane caster, this lower AB and makes caster easier to resist. .. I wont give any more ideas and suggestions how to build a mage killer. If you are all obsessed with this have fun but please don't make it other s problem. (by the way did you read my quote of myself:D !harm potions!) brain washing by your dear villvk  |
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Post by Dethklok on Mar 18, 2009 14:55:03 GMT -5
...And i think that Devastating Critical is a little too powerful for pvp...fortitude save or die on every critical hit? Thats a little extreme. HAHAH! Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Mords, Bigby, IGMS, Mords, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Great Thunderclap, Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, IGMS = Dead or, Shield 1 + Shield 2 + Shield 3 + Stand/Heal = Dead Now THATS extreme!! Thats what i've been saying!  But would making another class uber really change anything? And Devastating Critical wouldnt be much help on a sorc anyway...they're saves are too high and many of them have PM levels anyway. Devastating Critical would really just make Weapon Masters own all non-PM builds even more hardcore than they do now. |
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Post by Tony654 on Mar 18, 2009 17:12:41 GMT -5
For the record: every build has its use. There's no denying the fact that the cleric or rogue didn't play a part in the Torgort run, or that a monk is handy in the ToI.
Tempus, to go back to the begining and use the defaults would only prove how screwed up the multiplayer part of NWN is. There's no way they could have anticipated how PvP would pan out. New builds pop up every now and then that rule in PvM or PvP, then a new one comes along and has its day.
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Post by Dragon of Spires on Mar 18, 2009 18:17:54 GMT -5
For the record: every build has its use. There's no denying the fact that the cleric or rogue didn't play a part in the Torgort run, or that a monk is handy in the ToI. Tempus, to go back to the begining and use the defaults would only prove how screwed up the multiplayer part of NWN is. There's no way they could have anticipated how PvP would pan out. New builds pop up every now and then that rule in PvM or PvP, then a new one comes along and has its day. well spoken .... very well spoken i may not have been around as long as those of you that have already spent more time on here than you have off.... but i have to agree with you tony just wait til i get my new build finnished |
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Post by Tony654 on Mar 18, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
well spoken .... very well spoken i may not have been around as long as those of you that have already spent more time on here than you have off.... but i have to agree with you tony just wait til i get my new build finnished Gulp!  |
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Post by Pants on Mar 18, 2009 20:10:10 GMT -5
And what i beleive is the pm + rdd (not just the rdd) makes the weapon master pretty much useless. Last i check with the right combo on a pm + rdd you can get your ac up to like near 100 with gear and bard in the mix. Happy now? And i think weve tried getting back our dev crit... i dont think thatll ever happen (wish it would) RDD barely Gives you any more ac, and taking like 6 bard levels wont give you any either (unless you meant taking tumble, which a wpn master will also have anyway). And i think that Devastating Critical is a little too powerful for pvp...fortitude save or die on every critical hit? Thats a little extreme. And the pale drake build will give you close to 100 ac with gear. Yes every build has its purpose. And yes i think i can damage a sorc/pm with arrows... And those ways i will not devulge onto you dethklok |
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Post by Tino the magnificent on Mar 18, 2009 20:14:44 GMT -5
hehe, very well spoken Boss......im looking forward to seeing ur build rise Dragon so Kindred can knock him back down there was no way for bioware so see how we would take things, NWN is well put together game for single players purposes but they realy couldn't have forseen were WE took it....WE are the dedicated and a little nerotic about it....scrutinizing everything all the time to get the strongest character out there..... thx Temp for collecting my cents for me |
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Post by Nather on Mar 18, 2009 22:01:47 GMT -5
HAHAH! Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Mords, Bigby, IGMS, Mords, IGMS, Bigby = Dead or, Great Thunderclap, Bigby, IGMS, IGMS, IGMS = Dead or, Shield 1 + Shield 2 + Shield 3 + Stand/Heal = Dead Now THATS extreme!! Thats what i've been saying! But would making another class uber really change anything? And Devastating Critical wouldnt be much help on a sorc anyway...they're saves are too high and many of them have PM levels anyway. Devastating Critical would really just make Weapon Masters own all non-PM builds even more hardcore than they do now. remove sorc and pm from the server. way to powerful, every class must be equal in power. |
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Post by Dethklok on Mar 18, 2009 22:30:59 GMT -5
And the pale drake build will give you close to 100 ac with gear. Yes every build has its purpose. And yes i think i can damage a sorc/pm with arrows... And those ways i will not devulge onto you dethklok ...And a "Pale Drake" will also get a very low AB, as well as only 3 attacks per round (without haste). And sure, you probably DO think that you can kill a Sorc/PM with arrows...just like you thought you could make a half-decent WM. But we all know how that turned out |
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Post by Dethklok on Mar 18, 2009 22:37:24 GMT -5
Thats what i've been saying! But would making another class uber really change anything? And Devastating Critical wouldnt be much help on a sorc anyway...they're saves are too high and many of them have PM levels anyway. Devastating Critical would really just make Weapon Masters own all non-PM builds even more hardcore than they do now. remove sorc and pm from the server. way to powerful, every class must be equal in power. Well i would think that all classes should be approximately equal in power at least...not having any one being better or worse than ALL others. That does sound more fair, right? |
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Post by Nather on Mar 19, 2009 0:40:20 GMT -5
remove sorc and pm from the server. way to powerful, every class must be equal in power. Well i would think that all classes should be approximately equal in power at least...not having any one being better or worse than ALL others. That does sound more fair, right? who said anything about fairness? a sorc should be more powerful. they are, so i don't see the problem. everything is as it should be. and to those that say, "well bioware had no idea what the pvp would be like", please stop. you don't know what bioware was thinking when they programmed the game, stop acting like you all know what biowares intentions were. |
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Post by Nather on Mar 19, 2009 0:43:03 GMT -5
On the subject of bards, yes we're at a disadvantage C bards are one of the most powerful classes in nwn. maybe your not playing them correctly? |
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). My problem with him is the lack of weapon choices for a dex based character. Bards ARE usefull in PvP. 
