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Post by Punisher on Apr 30, 2009 16:02:57 GMT -5
i play on the chaotic world legends server when rd is down.
they have it set so u always get the max hp u can get per lvl.
so why doesnt rd have it?
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Post by littletall on Apr 30, 2009 17:54:52 GMT -5
hehe, was just thinking of asking the same yesterday  I've seen it in the changelog for 1.69, it says that the nwnplayer.ini file has a new line under "Server Options", which says "Max Hit Points= " and defaults to 0.... would be cool to have it turned to 1, would make life much easier for everyone |
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Post by Tino the magnificent on Apr 30, 2009 20:29:33 GMT -5
i do believe that this question has been brought up multiple times......
the reason for it being set to "0" is to make the lvl that much more worth it...
if u want a uber char u'll spend the time making sure he/she has the max hp....
just saying
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Post by littletall on Apr 30, 2009 21:13:35 GMT -5
lol..... uber char? that's what makes a char uber, max hp on lvlup? I have yet to make a char that would not have max hp on each and every level, and it has absolutely nothing to do with how uber they are, or how "worth it" the lvls are.... for example lvl 20 will always require 20k xp, regardless of how hard it was for you to get it, or how much hp will you settle for on your lvlup, and that's exactly how much its worth. classes, feats, abilities, skills, these are the things that make uber chars, if you f* them up no amount of hp will save you, but if you get them right you can live with a bit less hp too. that is, if you're willing to settle for less, because you dont really need any skill to max your hp, which means this is the absolute minimum you can do in order to not make your char suck. yes, less hp = sucks, max hp = normal, not less hp = normal, max hp = uber. and as said, getting max hp isnt exactly rocked science, you could train a monkey to max your hp for you (but unfortunately not all of us have trained monkeys) - I'd understand ppl being against it if it was something that automatically builds you a good char, something that a person could not do on their own if they werent skilled enough, but come on, its just max hp.... it requires no skill, its just an enormous unnecessary hassle.
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Post by Tino the magnificent on Apr 30, 2009 22:59:34 GMT -5
ahha, and the "hassle" is what makes it a bit more chalenging. i've made stupid mistakes on chars b4 because i couldn't get my max hp. i took short cuts to lvl faster and paid for it in the end....so, max hp does = uber  it is just another monkey wrench in the works to make diversity ever more possible.... just saying again ................................................................................... ................................................................................... btw, i would love to see max hp because i am inherently a lazy person. i would love to get millions of GP in no time flat w/ out going crazy. i would love free remorts. i would love for my wife to stop nagging me about playing to much  ....(shh, don't tell her) ........................................................................................................ ........................................................................................................ however, this is RD and this is how it's done. we are not other "soft" servers. we play the HARD edge all the time and u guys know this. it's what keeps us coming back. it's why we put stupid time in game. tell me the truth, would u have stayd hooked so long on RD if it wasn't so tough most the time??? |
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Post by Punisher on May 1, 2009 0:11:40 GMT -5
well ur both right in ways...
little tail i completly got lost in ur reply, lol
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Post by littletall on May 1, 2009 0:46:19 GMT -5
lol.... read it again, slowly anyway, max hp IS NOT uber, its normal.... if you're in a hurry and willing to sacrifice hp then your char will suck a bit more in the end that it wold otherwise (depending on how you built it, if you build a char right but without max hp, you can still beat the crap out of messed up builds with max hp), but still, the vast majority of players maxes their hp so that makes max hp = normal. except now, we could have this normal state by default, instead of wasting time which we could better use for actually playing the game. as for your question, yes you're probably right, without a challenge things would get boring, but maxing your hp is not a challenge. its not tough at all, its just time consuming  |
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Post by Tyr on May 1, 2009 0:48:38 GMT -5
I concur with the idea of max hp on level. Its merely a time waster in my opinion, and creates an artificial difficulty. Worthwhile builds are chosen with feats, skills, and stats.
Everyone has played with someone that falls behind while taking level because they have to continiously redo the level. The challenge underlying max hp would be to look before you leap, since you get max hp you might click done too quick.
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Post by Pants on May 1, 2009 1:43:57 GMT -5
Actually hax hp can equal uber...
Lets use a defensive build in for an example...
bard/pm/dd.... high con, dr, immunity to crit. With ability to hit over 1k hp it does quite add to the uberness
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Post by Punisher on May 1, 2009 12:38:27 GMT -5
yes pants but thats one of the big things for tanks, high hp and defense, like maybe the average tank has like 1100 hp, and a caster has like 500, thats how it works, think the tank is uber with 600 more hp? no the caster will woop his ass, guarenteed.
little tail is right hp isnt really a big deal but it just saves time and make everyone even in hp according to there classes
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Post by Ael'Thas on May 1, 2009 13:12:20 GMT -5
Having over 1k hp doesn't make you uber - if you have a sucky build a simple spell can kill you in one round... A character is uber when you take the right skills, the right feats and the right gear for the right enemy, max HP is only there to help you out a bit if you are patient enough to work for it a few minutes per level. Besides, I always had fighter/DDs and I always got max HP out of them - and trying to max out a d12 roll can really get annoying |
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Post by Tempus on May 1, 2009 18:59:11 GMT -5
This discussion HAS been breached multiple times in the past. Both are good arguments and I too (most of the time anyway), favor max HP at level up. However, RD will not embrace this enhancement now, or in the future. Its just not in her blood. |
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Post by Pants on May 1, 2009 19:01:20 GMT -5
the mage in this server general use igms as their killing tool... with a certain boss gear ring i will leave un namable on this server i can make myself mage immune. Not to mention the con gear, dr, resist, and regen gear. i could make myself mage immune with that gear (as long as i dont attack the mages sheilds)
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Post by littletall on May 1, 2009 21:28:09 GMT -5
So what's your point? You can do all those things with or without max hp. Not in her blood? Can we please have a real argument? We've presented quite a few good ones in favor of the motion, cant just dismiss it all with "not in her blood", since I know a few more people that havent posted here would want this too because we talked in game, a while ago too. So maybe make a poll or something? The players are the vital organs of a server, might be a good idea to get the blood bring em what they need to function  |
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Post by villvk on May 3, 2009 13:01:58 GMT -5
Hello guys! ;D missed me  well I am back from studious week:P As I see here is a good very good motion going me like it so MAX HP on level up:P , please PS: by the way Pants, of which certain boss ring are you talking about?  |
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....(shh, don't tell her)
well I am back from studious week:P