Cleric/Druid Spell Resistance

[renegade]

How about making the spell non dispellable. This would mean a maximum SR of 52 for a Druid or Cleric - enough to give mages cause for concern without being overpowering. I would just like to see some Sorc v Cleric/Druid fights is all.

[[Karma]]

A level what...5 spell? That gives SR on par with a pure monk (without feats albeit).

Let's break it down. Even if a level 40 pure caster with all three S.Pene feats goes up against 52SR, clvl 40 + f6 = 46. that's over 1/3 of all spells failing for that mid level spell. Consider that the MAIN caster builds sit at about 29 caster (since PM still doesn't count), that's 35, meaning basically an 85% chance of spell failure.

Even the 35% failure overpowered for the spell. The benefit lies in needing to start with a mords, which is a higher level anyway, since dru's and many clerics will be a higher clvl. It's this higher inherent clvl in most cle/dru builds that poses the problem.

As much as I love druids/clerics, I just can't find this option feasible. I would consider say a 50% chance of dispel, meaning it may take an entire round of spells to debuff. An essentially free class-only feat just seems overdone.

[renegade]

All up for discussion .

The 29 Mage builds give up their spellcasting power for other abilities/immunities - thats a build choice not a valid reason against implementing some spell changes imo. Most cleric/druids will normally max at 38 lvls to take advantage of discipline etc so 50SR would likely be the norm, with feats the mage will max roll 66 (likely 64 as most are 38 mage) and low roll of 47 (45 if 38 mage) - thats still very good odds for the mage I think

[sylvantis]

I'd rather see this occur focus in spell resistance(abjuration I believe), provides a +4 bonus for each focus feat(+12 total possible. This allows most clerics(assume 38 cleric) to achieve a 62 SR. let this be dispellable, but self cast only. Now making it self cast only may seem like a nerf, but honestly in pvp situations(most pvm upper end dungeons seem to auto dispel you anyhow) one disadvantage SR has vs spell mantle is the fact its slow to cast w/ the need to target yourself. Enough rambling from me, hopefully those taht pvp understand what I'm saying.

[renegade]

don't know how you are getting to 62SR (even with focus would be 56? I did not even know/think that focus would increase the SR, just the DC of spells?) but the self cast option sounds good

[[Karma]]

Self cast on SR is sadly lacking, making it almost unviable in heads up PvP, and frankly I think the nerf would be needed if we improved it in any format. I'm now to the stage of wondering whether the the spell could run off a greatly reduced timeframe, and be undispellable. Perhaps say 1 round 4 / levels. Would kick the Dru/Cle off to a good advantage that would diminish over time, on par with the arcane casters strengths (high damage over short period). Would make the PvP something of a guerilla front, which I'd enjoy watching.

[niphredil]

renegade said:

don't know how you are getting to 62SR (even with focus would be 56? I did not even know/think that focus would increase the SR, just the DC of spells?) but the self cast option sounds good

i think what he's saying is modify the SF: abjuration feats so that SF: abjuration give SR +4, GSF: abjuration gives +8, and ESF: abjuration gives SR +12. clvl 38 + 12 = 50, then +12 from ESF: abjuration = 62 total SR. of course, this would require changes to the feats since renegade is right, spell focuses in abjuration don't do anything to the amount of SR you get from the spell. as far as changing the spell property to "target: caster", that would require an engine change as well.

as far as the spell being nondispellable but short acting, how do you guys do this? do you sit there and go "one onethousand, two onethousand" or do you just watch the character?

[niphredil]

and with making it self cast only, how would you guys cast it on a fighter before raiding our hall : P

[niphredil]

karma said:

Self cast on SR is sadly lacking, making it almost unviable in heads up PvP, and frankly I think the nerf would be needed if we improved it in any format. I'm now to the stage of wondering whether the the spell could run off a greatly reduced timeframe, and be undispellable. Perhaps say 1 round 4 / levels. Would kick the Dru/Cle off to a good advantage that would diminish over time, on par with the arcane casters strengths (high damage over short period). Would make the PvP something of a guerilla front, which I'd enjoy watching.

this would give a lvl 38 cleric undispellable SR 62 (let's call it 52 as you're bound to be morded at some point) for about 1 minute real-time, minimum 6 castings per day. pretty wicked, would make the 29 caster level builds hard pressed to land a spell (impossible without at least 2 spell pene feats) in one on one pvp with these high-level abjurers.

perhaps this WOULD need to be self-cast only, as it might lead to mayhem if it where cast on party members. or would that be fun?